Fritz,
So I'm sure you get a million of these based on how easy it is to find your videos and the insightful manner in which you break down eldar strategy. I've watched most of them and first off I would really like to thank you for the insight that you offer into each unit. GW should have a PR department with such a dedicated Rep and Tactician for each army, though really it might be tough to get behind some of them in their current state.
Anyway my question stems from some frustration that I have had trying to build my Eldar list. I come from a Tau background, which obviously plays a little differently, especially when it comes to troop choices. I was trying to refine some eldar strategies that I had been kicking it around by play testing it against a small 500pt tau army.
The tau army was basically a XV-8 commander with missile pods, 2 (12) man Fire Warrior teams and 2 (10) man Kroot teams. I'm curious how you would go about deploying against such a list. I don't want to build a list specifically to counter tau or any one list, but I've really struggled recently trying to run a eldar CC heavy list. Especially against the small point tau list I can't seem to not be shot off the board, fortune or not.
At any rate I'm curious if you have ever run a CC centric list in 6th edition. I know that you love you harlequins, and I watched your 6th edition harlequin and foot-dar videos. I'm curious if you have any thoughts or even broad tactical consideration for drawing units like noise marines, or tau Fire warriors out or surviving to make it into close combat.
So I'm sure you get a million of these based on how easy it is to find your videos and the insightful manner in which you break down eldar strategy. I've watched most of them and first off I would really like to thank you for the insight that you offer into each unit. GW should have a PR department with such a dedicated Rep and Tactician for each army, though really it might be tough to get behind some of them in their current state.
Anyway my question stems from some frustration that I have had trying to build my Eldar list. I come from a Tau background, which obviously plays a little differently, especially when it comes to troop choices. I was trying to refine some eldar strategies that I had been kicking it around by play testing it against a small 500pt tau army.
The tau army was basically a XV-8 commander with missile pods, 2 (12) man Fire Warrior teams and 2 (10) man Kroot teams. I'm curious how you would go about deploying against such a list. I don't want to build a list specifically to counter tau or any one list, but I've really struggled recently trying to run a eldar CC heavy list. Especially against the small point tau list I can't seem to not be shot off the board, fortune or not.
At any rate I'm curious if you have ever run a CC centric list in 6th edition. I know that you love you harlequins, and I watched your 6th edition harlequin and foot-dar videos. I'm curious if you have any thoughts or even broad tactical consideration for drawing units like noise marines, or tau Fire warriors out or surviving to make it into close combat.
Thanks for you time. Hope to
hear from you soon.
Bryce
Bryce
Bryce, quite a curious list at
500 for assault Eldar to beat. Lots of firepower, and worse range over the
Eldar which makes it doubly hard. I’ve been playing with some lists based on
two guardian groups with shuriken cannons for the weapons platform and then
scorpions as the close combat element with farseer fortune support, but the
wall I’m hitting against for 500 points is that I’d like some template suppression
to drop on the Tau as I approach- swooping hawks with grenade packs are my
first choice, but I’d also take a support weapon or two, but I can’t seem to
fit that PLUS the ten scorpions so I have enough hitting power to take losses
on the way in.
With Harlequins this is my stock
list:
Elite: 5 Harlequins W/ Kisses, Shadowseer, Deathjester, 1 Fusion Gun
Troops: 5 Rangers
Troops: 5 Rangers
I’d
take against all comers, and do OK against power armor, but against cheap
troops with shooting and range still the same problems.
With
either list I wouldn’t say never, but the matchup would depend heavily on
elements I can’t control or really count on like terrain and the mission. If
there was a big hunk of LOS blocking terrain in the center of the table, or if
the table was scaled down to 4 X 4 for a 500 point game, maybe.
But
who wan’t to count on that?
Sadly,
the close combat elements in the Eldar codex are expensive, only T3, and often
a 4+ save and require other elements to work like a farseer or transport, which
is the Eldar way of things, scales up in higher point games, but not down…
Not
that I’d build a list to try and beat any one army- I build my lists both
themed and generic to take on all armies, and then do my best on the table, so
at 500 points of generic Eldar it would kind of look like this…
Farseer
+ Eldritch Storm, Runes of Witnessing, Spear
10 Guardians + Scatter Laser
Platform
10 Guardians + Scatter Laser
Platform
5 Swooping Hawks + Exarch,
Skyleap
1 Support Weapon- Shadow Weaver
1 Support Weapon- Shadow Weaver
1 Support Weapon- Shadow Weaver

Interesting Generic Eldar list there Fritz, imo 500pts should always be on a 4'x4' table, nothing bigger
ReplyDeleteI might test both lists..
ReplyDeleteHow about a Wraithlord in a small point game?
If your not up against IG or SM with plasmadudes all over the board I think my lovely wraithlord would survive.
I also agree with IDIC, not bigger table, it take too long for stuff to actually happens..
I would take Dark Reapers, Shadow Weavers and Hawks or Spiders. Not much of an assault army though :)
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